That vid is absolutely brilliant - Like Donovan but Dylan's lyric always won me over. I've always loved Bob - and although I think Van's version of Baby Blue is a great cover - it's gotta be Dylan every time. Great jam - thanks
whats the difference? i like the two, but can't compare a claret to a tinto..Donovan was called the British Dylan,he had a sweet/gentleness that Dylan lacked. Dylan was a peace activist,thinker,poet,and finally a business.man.....Give me Them/Van every time...great energy,emotion you dont get with Dylan.......
I don't usually listen to Bob Dylan, (I'm not gonna continue with the famous meme phrase "but when I do..." :) but I agree to the comments above, the video catched my eye.
Really brilliant bit of film there. @lynn200 nice analogy. I can't take only claret to my desert island - I might want some tinto too! (Not sure what your vinous equivalent to Van is... Barolo maybe!
@obadiah99 tinto con gaseo,very nice on a warm evening....but you buy it in a carton......... Barolo,,??,now i'm lost. Van is a great Irish....,bit more pricey...LOLS:)
What dya think of this, Mark? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlFg6o4R_8k I like it - has loads of energy, although very much of the time (no bad thing) . I don't believe Dylan lacked energy or emotion - how could he write such lyrics without both?
@lynn200 Oh dear, that seems a bit unkind to poor old Donovan. Barolo, on the other hand, is a magnificent, brooding, characterful, complex, long-lived Piedmontese marvel. I'm afraid we might be in danger of taking these singer/wine analogies a bit too far!
@lynn200 Nice points! I think they are two different artists...especially humor wise...reflected in their personalities. I like your summation of Bob, very accurate! Poor Donovan, let his mind get swamped by drugs...I love that tender voice of his and it is emotion filled too...just completely different to Dylan or Morrison...Van is the expert when it comes to emotion...
@lindatee That's a very interesting version! Very much of it's time! Makes me think about compiling a list of ginger front men!!!! Dylan certainly did not lack energy or emotion...it's a very unique energy and emotion...whereas Van's is more conventional...yet probably the best kind of conventional emotion ever!!! Van could sing any thing and with emotion...whereas Dylan is very much his own man with his own style
@corcorankelly great choice. a whole debate rages to this day as to whether Dylan is guilty of cruelty here - some feel he takes great pleasure in 'trumping' Donovan's effort and making him seem small, others that he simply plays the song he's asked to play. J Franzen, in his novel 'Freedom' refers to this scene and claims that it shows how super-competitive Dylan is. He certainly seems to relish it.
@antonywaltjarv Dylan is Dylan...competitive....I don't think he trumped Donovan...just was louder. Both were very good! Dylan's focus was even taken to singing at the drunks with a wry smile so he was not intensely competitive in this moment! What do you think of Franzen's work?
@corcorankelly I've only read 'Freedom', which I loved - I read that and Jennifer Egan's 'A Visit from the Goon Squad' at about the same time and loved how well they included real-life music/musicians into their stories. You know it? 'Corrections'?
@corcorankelly have you seen the out-take from 'Eat The Document' (the other Pennebaker film - never put out) where Dylan shares a limo ride with John Lennon?
@antonywaltjarv Have not read either of those. Made about half way through Corrections...it started to annoy me how much it owed to Brett Easton Ellis and David Foster Wallace....so I stopped! I have not seen the limo ride with Lennon? Sounds great...
I'll take the Van version of most things, but I first knew this song from my parents' Joan Baez records when I was a kid. Playing these all just now then took me to the Byrds' one - least favourite, but definitely Byrdsy...
@stellakoto Can't say I've heard the Byrds' version...interesting! It's hard to top Van.. I don't think you can really...he's up there with bjork, miles davis, hooker, kate bush, and James Brown....unique...
Donovan is reassurance and Dylan is belligerence. Comfort v. Challenge. And I prefer Van's version hands down. Dylan is an awesome writer, but he puts on an old timey twang that sounds fake to me.
@dyavers Don't quite think it is as simple as that...but...I see your point! I like his voice! It's certainly unique!
What do you think of his voice in this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6ODMKSWzT4
@corcorankelly It's not that simple, but that's what jumps out at me. Lay Lady Lay is a great song. I love it. And so is It's All Over Now. Don't get me wrong. I have three Dylan albums on vinyl. Prized possessions. But, Dylan's idol was Woody Guthrie and he's often imitating that accent. Here is a send up of Guthrie/Dylan by SNL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4XfWk1Ct18
39 Comments (since 6 Jul 2013)
lindatee
That vid is absolutely brilliant - Like Donovan but Dylan's lyric always won me over. I've always loved Bob - and although I think Van's version of Baby Blue is a great cover - it's gotta be Dylan every time. Great jam - thanks
lynn200
whats the difference? i like the two, but can't compare a claret to a tinto..Donovan was called the British Dylan,he had a sweet/gentleness that Dylan lacked. Dylan was a peace activist,thinker,poet,and finally a business.man.....Give me Them/Van every time...great energy,emotion you dont get with Dylan.......
elifaksayan
I don't usually listen to Bob Dylan, (I'm not gonna continue with the famous meme phrase "but when I do..." :) but I agree to the comments above, the video catched my eye.
obadiah99
Really brilliant bit of film there. @lynn200 nice analogy. I can't take only claret to my desert island - I might want some tinto too! (Not sure what your vinous equivalent to Van is... Barolo maybe!
lynn200
@obadiah99 tinto con gaseo,very nice on a warm evening....but you buy it in a carton......... Barolo,,??,now i'm lost. Van is a great Irish....,bit more pricey...LOLS:)
lindatee
What dya think of this, Mark? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlFg6o4R_8k I like it - has loads of energy, although very much of the time (no bad thing) . I don't believe Dylan lacked energy or emotion - how could he write such lyrics without both?
obadiah99
@lynn200 Oh dear, that seems a bit unkind to poor old Donovan. Barolo, on the other hand, is a magnificent, brooding, characterful, complex, long-lived Piedmontese marvel. I'm afraid we might be in danger of taking these singer/wine analogies a bit too far!
corcorankelly
@lindatee Glad you like it! It's Dylan's song so for me it's the definite version! I like both versions though! I think Donovan is great!
corcorankelly
@lynn200 Nice points! I think they are two different artists...especially humor wise...reflected in their personalities. I like your summation of Bob, very accurate! Poor Donovan, let his mind get swamped by drugs...I love that tender voice of his and it is emotion filled too...just completely different to Dylan or Morrison...Van is the expert when it comes to emotion...
corcorankelly
@elifaksayan Cool! Dylan is your marmite!??!!
corcorankelly
@obadiah99 Glad you liked it!
elifaksayan
@corcorankelly :( I don't know that phrase either... UGHHHH
corcorankelly
@lynn200 How much does Van cost!?!?!? haha
corcorankelly
@lindatee That's a very interesting version! Very much of it's time! Makes me think about compiling a list of ginger front men!!!! Dylan certainly did not lack energy or emotion...it's a very unique energy and emotion...whereas Van's is more conventional...yet probably the best kind of conventional emotion ever!!! Van could sing any thing and with emotion...whereas Dylan is very much his own man with his own style
corcorankelly
@elifaksayan haha! Marmite is this spread....that people either love or hate....so people sometimes use the word Marmite as a reference to love or hate...sometimes people who love Marmite go through periods of hating it! It's a divisive spread!!! http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2011/05/marmite-404_685611c.jpg
elifaksayan
@corcorankelly :) Ah thanks for the explanation. Now I know and I guess yeah that's it.
corcorankelly
@elifaksayan Cool!
florencevibert
In my opinion, both are brilliant! As you said, "two distinctive styles" but Van's version is great :)
corcorankelly
@shirl Glad you enjoyed it - more it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2D1xACyltQ
corcorankelly
@florencevibert Glad you enjoyed it! Van is the man!
florencevibert
@corcorankelly Yeah, indeed!
holderch5
Love the background!
corcorankelly
@holderch5 Thanks, man!
antonywaltjarv
@corcorankelly great choice. a whole debate rages to this day as to whether Dylan is guilty of cruelty here - some feel he takes great pleasure in 'trumping' Donovan's effort and making him seem small, others that he simply plays the song he's asked to play. J Franzen, in his novel 'Freedom' refers to this scene and claims that it shows how super-competitive Dylan is. He certainly seems to relish it.
corcorankelly
@antonywaltjarv Dylan is Dylan...competitive....I don't think he trumped Donovan...just was louder. Both were very good! Dylan's focus was even taken to singing at the drunks with a wry smile so he was not intensely competitive in this moment! What do you think of Franzen's work?
antonywaltjarv
@corcorankelly I've only read 'Freedom', which I loved - I read that and Jennifer Egan's 'A Visit from the Goon Squad' at about the same time and loved how well they included real-life music/musicians into their stories. You know it? 'Corrections'?
antonywaltjarv
@corcorankelly have you seen the out-take from 'Eat The Document' (the other Pennebaker film - never put out) where Dylan shares a limo ride with John Lennon?
malp11a
Hadn't seen this before.
corcorankelly
@antonywaltjarv Have not read either of those. Made about half way through Corrections...it started to annoy me how much it owed to Brett Easton Ellis and David Foster Wallace....so I stopped! I have not seen the limo ride with Lennon? Sounds great...
corcorankelly
@malp11a Cool! Hope you enjoyed it!
antonywaltjarv
@corcorankelly http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xe881t_john-lennon-and-bob-dylan-london-19_music#.Ud1Laqw8VK8
antonywaltjarv
@corcorankelly this is the whole scene, but the 3 part ones on youtube are better quality. lennon seems very wary - Dylan is smashed out of his head.
corcorankelly
@antonywaltjarv hahahah class, thanks man!
stellakoto
I'll take the Van version of most things, but I first knew this song from my parents' Joan Baez records when I was a kid. Playing these all just now then took me to the Byrds' one - least favourite, but definitely Byrdsy...
corcorankelly
@stellakoto Can't say I've heard the Byrds' version...interesting! It's hard to top Van.. I don't think you can really...he's up there with bjork, miles davis, hooker, kate bush, and James Brown....unique...
dyavers
Donovan is reassurance and Dylan is belligerence. Comfort v. Challenge. And I prefer Van's version hands down. Dylan is an awesome writer, but he puts on an old timey twang that sounds fake to me.
corcorankelly
@RoryBore Fact! Anybody who has not liked this you can instantly dismiss!!!
corcorankelly
@dyavers Don't quite think it is as simple as that...but...I see your point! I like his voice! It's certainly unique! What do you think of his voice in this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6ODMKSWzT4
dyavers
@corcorankelly It's not that simple, but that's what jumps out at me. Lay Lady Lay is a great song. I love it. And so is It's All Over Now. Don't get me wrong. I have three Dylan albums on vinyl. Prized possessions. But, Dylan's idol was Woody Guthrie and he's often imitating that accent. Here is a send up of Guthrie/Dylan by SNL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4XfWk1Ct18