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I saw Her Standing There, or Please Please Me edge this, not to diminish it's credentials. If I was a woman I'd want hair like them.
@AJDJ I'm a bloke and I want hair like them. The two songs you mention by the greatest band of all time are both classics.
oh yeah buk baby,,,great track,,,if you have a moment check ronnie singing the ramones ''here to day gone tommorow'' the original from the 80's...vibrato in excelsis ...
@kingofmen Will do. Thank you.
Got to be one of the best songs ever
Misogynistic nature of the lyrics and the scumbag who was behind it has spoiled it for me to a large extent...
waaahh ohh ohh ohh
@corcorankelly misogynistic? really? is "baby" emasculating, too?
@lofi @corcorankelly There is no way I'm getting into this discussion. lol
@lofi 5. How not to keep a wife, Part 1.
Having married Ronnie Bennett, former lead vocalist of The Ronettes, Spector has a glass coffin, like the one in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, installed in the basement of his mini-castle estate in Los Angeles. He leads Ronnie's mother Beatrice to it, telling her it's where Ronnie will lie if she ever tries to leave him. (1971)
6. How not to keep a wife, Part 2.
Insane with jealousy, Spector locks Ronnie inside his mansion and refuses to let her
@lofi leave the premises for months. The technical kidnapping ends when a barefoot Ronnie, assisted by her mother, somehow slips past the barred windows, barbed-wire fences, attack dogs and bodyguards. (1972)
@lofi She divorced Spector in 1974. “I knew if I didn’t leave at that time, I was going to die there,” Ronnie said.
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In 2009, Spector was sentenced to 19 years to life for the 2003 murder of actress Lana Clarkson.
@lofi misogynistic nature of the lyrics for me...lies in this piteous begging a person and promising to love them forever....madness...and misogynistic in my book...
@lofi Brill Building songwriters Gerry Goffin and Carole King bring Phil a new song, written about their babysitter Eva Boyd (who, as Little Eva, would also become lead singer on another Goffin-King song she inspired, "The Locomotion"). Abused by her boyfriend, Eva tells Carole that the violence only proves how much he loves her. The resultant 45, "He Hit Me (It Felt Like A Kiss)," would get a deadpan version of Phil's "Wall of Sound" treatment. The group who record it, The Crystals, hate it, an
loving this thread ...
@corcorankelly I am not disputing that Phil Spector or an asshole. I'm saying Be My Baby is an awesome "I'm crushing on you" love song. Almost love songs from the early 60s is about loving your crush forever! This isn't misogyny, this is a let's get busy jam.
@lofi Fair enough! I completely disagree! I have no problem with your interpretation of the song. Just backing up my own which I think I'm entitled to...if you want to get busy to it! More power to you! Sounds like a good time! Let the good times roll...to quote the Kings of Leon...
Seperating music from it's makers to a great extent is an imperitive. Spector was an arse. This record is utterly magnificent, magical pop music. Great Jam.
imperative? That's an opinion and a choice one makes...it's hardly an imperative. It can be an imperative for you but that's an opinion. Someone can choose to separate an artist or not. Music is about opinions...Lofi or myself is not wrong. Opinions were expressed...I don't think it is utterly magnificent....nowhere near it...the lyrics are particularly weak...but your opinion is a popular one with a lot people...but not one I would share...
@corcorankelly @BertrandRustles It's a tricky discussion (and very old too! Remember Wagner) With me it depends on the quality of the song and my mood of the day. But I draw the line with Ted Nugent (the artist being dead or alive is also part of the equasion)
@dutchzaphod It is essentially about the conflict between (relative) objective consensus and subjective perspective. Personally I cannot abide 'The Beastie Boys' or 'The Red Hot Chilli Peppers' each to their own contribution to an evolving dialectic.
@corcorankelly @BertrandRustles Concerning the separation between 'music from its maker' the question of intention is imperative.
@Bukowski Opinion is imperative?
Haven't heard this in ages. Love it.
@corcorankelly If by opinion you mean judgement (which, as I do and I think you do), then yes, it is imperative.
@Bukowski Agreed. I'm such an idiot I'm tempted to change my opinion on this jam due to the power of the music (mostly because of the voice of Ronnie- sweet as a nut)...................................DAMN YOU MUSIC!!!!
@corcorankelly I'm glad.
Wow... @Bukowski, @lofi, @corcorankelly, @dutchzaphod and @BertrandRustles What an entertaining and incendiary thread. And that's what I love about the power of music. (Not to be confused with The Power of Love by Jennifer Rush, which is nothing to do with music.)
The Incendiary bit is probably all my fault...it's hard with text...because you can't hear people's tones - obviously - I wasn't trying to be difficult about it
@AlicejustMay Given that we are talking about the imperative nature of judgement within the confines of the objective consensus and the subjective perspective the notion that 'The Power Of Love' by Jennifer Rush is 'nothing to do with music' is pertinent.
@corcorankelly Very true, intonation and emphasis is often confused in the written statement. Great thread that you started though, ta.
@Bukowski One of, I'd agree - maybe in the top ten.
@Bukowski @AlicejustMay I rather like 'The Power of Love'!
@abigail.deeks By 'Frankie Goes To Hollywood' yes.
@Bukowski Not 'Huey Lewis and the News'?
@abigail.deeks There really is no polite answer to that.
@Bukowski I didn't expect one! ;)
@abigail.deeks @Bukowski LOL
memories....that was when we all loved the music
Thank you for the wonderful and epic jams! You'll be missed by most of the former jammers, including myself. I wish you the best.
Thanks for all the jams and for following me. I am sorry that I couldn't follow everyone - I have found following 70 people a struggle but I do play and like a lot, even so. Maybe see you on letsloop.com when the Titanic does go down. Until then #GoingDownJamming - it has been lots of fun xx
Thank you for the music, the songs I'm singing
Thanks for all the joy they're bringing
Who can live without it, I ask in all honesty
What would life be, without a song or a dance, what are we
So I say, thank you for the music, for giving it to me
@Bukowski Magic thread. Are you going to make an appearance on one of the new sites?
@Bukowski You will be missed, enormously, by a large number of people if you do not reappear. No pressure. Yes actually - we need you.