Good for you Dave. I remember feeling angry at Peter Gabriel for leaving Genesis when they were at their peak but in retrospect, he done the right thing.
...just a bit of trivia. I was watching the 2 hour 'Genesis story' on TV a few months ago and at the end, all 5 originalmembers were together for an interview. Rutherford & Banks were making several candid cutting remarks about the Gabriel situation before he left the band. NOthing unusual about that, you may say but they were saying these things in his presence and the band hadn't even reformed or anything! Pretty rude, eh? Peter was too much the gent to say F*** you. He just shrugged it off...
@debutch Gabriel is a gent for sure. I have not met him personally, but I have met Phil a few times over the years, and he's actually alright for being (a) a drummer and (b) being Englishy LOL
Oddly enough, I was more a fan of Genesis than Gabriel, & I tried to keep the allegiance with Genesis alive post Gabriel. I got into Weather Report &c; soon after - so I was familiar with Chester - & when Genesis started going pop, I kinda forgave Phil simply because of Brand X. It took me quite a few years to revisit Peter Gabriel albums with the proper mindset. I can't even recall how many time I saw him live, but one other incident sticks in my mind - the Milgram speech: we do what we're told
Music aside, the main thing was that he had the audacity to quit (a) something he created from scratch, (b) something so full of promise, and (c) something just about to be massively successful. To an impressionable young chap, this was bewildering - and many a long chat into the night ensued until I finally "got it".
@daved I am sure of very little these days (old age, you know), so I could well be mistaken. My urecollection is that Sid McGuinness played guitar this night.
Yeh, in his shoes,I doubt if I would've done what Gabriel did. Full credit for his nerve and his ambition. Although I'm not over-keen on Collins' records, I think he's OK, ...a regular guy. I can relate to him being the only ex-grammar school boy working among ex-public school boys....(though in my case, I was a working class cockney in a grammar school full of middle-classes boys )
@debutch Ohh I agree totally - The Phil Collins Years were terrible - he was on everything, everywhere all the time, and it was rotten. I do not miss all that. Jeezo, no, no, no sirreeebobcats. Good drummer though, and Brand X were good.
@debutch By Englishy, I hasten to state, I meant that Collins (in Genesis and as a solo artist), sang without an Amercianised voice - and when he spoke, he said things like "Blimey", and called lemonade, "pop". You don't get more Englishy than THAT.
@daved RF played in Gabriel's band on the US leg of the 1977 tour - but from sidestage or even from behind a screen! He was billed as Dusty Rhoads. By the time of the UK leg, Fripp was recording Heroes with DB, I think. Busy Man.
i am completely with @daved about the Phil Collins thing. Always hated his plagiarism and loved his drumming, to me Genesis as a band seems a little overrated looking backwards, but millions of sold albums do not lie :-)
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psyclopstrees
can't argue with that
philipnareike
Wonderful song
debutch
Good for you Dave. I remember feeling angry at Peter Gabriel for leaving Genesis when they were at their peak but in retrospect, he done the right thing.
debutch
...just a bit of trivia. I was watching the 2 hour 'Genesis story' on TV a few months ago and at the end, all 5 originalmembers were together for an interview. Rutherford & Banks were making several candid cutting remarks about the Gabriel situation before he left the band. NOthing unusual about that, you may say but they were saying these things in his presence and the band hadn't even reformed or anything! Pretty rude, eh? Peter was too much the gent to say F*** you. He just shrugged it off...
ian38018
I was at that wonderful Apollo gig too - regretfully Mr Fripp was not - unless he was doing his Dusty Rhodes thing from off-stage: http://therockandrollknife.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/peter-gabriel.html
daved
@ian38018 Jeez I have - for aeons now - believed that I saw Fripp with Gabriel. Damn! Are you sure????
daved
@debutch Gabriel is a gent for sure. I have not met him personally, but I have met Phil a few times over the years, and he's actually alright for being (a) a drummer and (b) being Englishy LOL
daved
Oddly enough, I was more a fan of Genesis than Gabriel, & I tried to keep the allegiance with Genesis alive post Gabriel. I got into Weather Report &c; soon after - so I was familiar with Chester - & when Genesis started going pop, I kinda forgave Phil simply because of Brand X. It took me quite a few years to revisit Peter Gabriel albums with the proper mindset. I can't even recall how many time I saw him live, but one other incident sticks in my mind - the Milgram speech: we do what we're told
daved
Music aside, the main thing was that he had the audacity to quit (a) something he created from scratch, (b) something so full of promise, and (c) something just about to be massively successful. To an impressionable young chap, this was bewildering - and many a long chat into the night ensued until I finally "got it".
ian38018
@daved I am sure of very little these days (old age, you know), so I could well be mistaken. My urecollection is that Sid McGuinness played guitar this night.
debutch
Yeh, in his shoes,I doubt if I would've done what Gabriel did. Full credit for his nerve and his ambition. Although I'm not over-keen on Collins' records, I think he's OK, ...a regular guy. I can relate to him being the only ex-grammar school boy working among ex-public school boys....(though in my case, I was a working class cockney in a grammar school full of middle-classes boys )
daved
@ian38018 Tell me about it :( Wonder where I got the Fripp idea from? I'm getting more addled by the day.
daved
@debutch Ohh I agree totally - The Phil Collins Years were terrible - he was on everything, everywhere all the time, and it was rotten. I do not miss all that. Jeezo, no, no, no sirreeebobcats. Good drummer though, and Brand X were good.
daved
@debutch By Englishy, I hasten to state, I meant that Collins (in Genesis and as a solo artist), sang without an Amercianised voice - and when he spoke, he said things like "Blimey", and called lemonade, "pop". You don't get more Englishy than THAT.
debutch
Most English don't even say "blimey" these days! ( I still do lol!)
ian38018
@daved RF played in Gabriel's band on the US leg of the 1977 tour - but from sidestage or even from behind a screen! He was billed as Dusty Rhoads. By the time of the UK leg, Fripp was recording Heroes with DB, I think. Busy Man.
azche24
i am completely with @daved about the Phil Collins thing. Always hated his plagiarism and loved his drumming, to me Genesis as a band seems a little overrated looking backwards, but millions of sold albums do not lie :-)